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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 22, 2010 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

I suspect if you polled my current and former students and postdocs they would probably tell you that I am pretty good at preaching, but i don't think the gospel according to elbow is best delivered on sunday mornings.

Your are quite correct and I think that is the part that gets lost in the "religion vs. science" debate. There is no moral right and wrong in science while that seems to be imo one of the two important roles that religion should play. To help explain the difference between right and wrong and to help people cope with the unexplainable. The former doesn't change while the latter does, in part due to science. Not sure all (any?) religions deal with that change so well.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jan 22, 2010 5:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

"There is no moral right and wrong in science "

Choices in funding and national character mostly determine the results of science. It's not like we're just digging randomly for information on certain kinds of genetics, quarks and bosons, climate changes, or cave art. It's not like great men are finding hidden treasure -- it's more like we're looking in a mirror.

With technology this is even greater -- artifacts do have politics, to quote Langdon Winner. The social organization and requirements of nuclear power means a far different set of centralization and reverse human adaptation than decentralized solar, renewables, and conservation.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 22, 2010 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

don't confuse science with scientists or worse the funding of science. I was only saying that science is not where one should look to determine what is morally right and wrong. Those questions are not answered by science.

As for what science gets done, the unfortunate truth is that the funds are limited and for those of us who review grant applications that are going to use federal funding, we owe it to the tax payers to try to pick the applications that will likely be the most successful. Unfortunately that probably does restricts advancement to some extent.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jan 23, 2010 7:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

I'm not confused. Science is a pretty good way to reach some consensus about knowledge, but the point is that it is conditioned as well as conditional.

Much of science is benign if not very useful, which is not so bad in an era headed for self-destruction.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 23, 2010 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

True about much of science...a great deal of what I do would be classified under "who cares?" (always recall my father-in-law saying "you actually can get paid for doing this?!").

But, you never know when a factoid on the science as body biz will come to some immensely useful purpose: eg, my very good buddies, the Gila monsters, whose venom is now providing a variety of vital components in various disease treatment plans (eg, diabetes, etc.).

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jan 23, 2010 7:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

Yah I do get into grand overstatements.

Perhaps the most interesting undergrad professor I had was a biologist. I came in prepared for boredom and he made it my most exciting class. It was too late to switch majors and avoid the droney teachers though.

There can be real value in what may appear useless or tedious to some, as so many nature documentaries show.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 23, 2010 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

Ha--yep, not many of my nonbio profs held my attn...and though it reeks of "group hug/self-congratulatoy" babble, enjoyed our discussions immensely, SF...great fun. Educational too! If we keep this up, though, the powers that be hereabouts just might put us all in our own "DEAD inspired topics of the mundane, unanswerable, and esoteric" subforum!?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2010 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

Geez, Tell! are you still banging on with this godbothering stuff? Get ye to the subforum!


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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 23, 2010 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

GIVE ME SLACK!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2010 10:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

F.E.I.T.C.T.A.J.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 23, 2010 10:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

I've missed X-Day for well over a decade. Maybe next time.

http://www.myspace.com/ivanstang

Here's to a worthy TDIH:

http://www.archive.org/details/radams2008-01-23.sbd.flac16

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2010 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

Funny you should mention Ryan. Just been listening to a nice compilation of his Dead covers. Knowing you you'll already have it - but just in case:

http://www.ryanadamsarchive.com/showthread.php?p=61815#post61815

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 23, 2010 10:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

Thanks; I didn't. Will check it out. Hope he's getting bored with married life and ready to get back out there....

Kudos to Phil for helping get him and Jackie G out to a wider audience

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2010 11:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

Absolutely second those Phil kudos. You'll doubtless have checked out this Jackie G show with Phil and Bob guesting

http://www.archive.org/details/jgreene2009-02-18.lou.flac16

I kind of liked it - and judging by the whooping and hollering the audience did too...

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jan 23, 2010 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

Bob, Bobby, whoever, is one scary cult leader. He's a genius at putting together paranoid fantasies that seem so real.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2010 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

And who's to say they're not?

:-)

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jan 23, 2010 11:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

I guess you've got to learn to live with what you can't rise above if you want to ride on down in through this tunnel of love.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2010 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

Well I don't care how many girls you've dated, man
But you ain't lived till you've had your tires rotated

By a red headed woman
A red headed woman
It takes a red headed woman
To get a dirty job done

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jan 23, 2010 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God - non dead (or perhaps dead, according to Nietzsche)

I don't know about a subforum.

I'm more bugged now by how Cliff likes 1-20-68 better than 1-22. I need to revisit the 1st half of '68.

This post was modified by spacedface on 2010-01-23 18:01:30